Paris Jackson isn’t holding back.
The 28-year-old musician and daughter of the late Michael Jackson and Debbie Rowe made an appearance on Call Her Daddy with Alex Cooper.
During the appearance, Paris spoke about her experience with visiting father Michael‘s Neverland Ranch, being homeschooled, growing up without her mother, how that was explained to her, her relationship with drugs, the reason for ending her engagement to producer Justin Long, and dealing with comparisons and expectations.
See highlights from Paris Jackson’s interview inside…
On living in Neverland:
Paris Jackson: I didn’t grow up there. It was only the first few years of my life that I was there, and I’d wake up and I’d go to school.
Alex Cooper: You were homeschooled, right?
Paris Jackson: Yeah. I’d wake up and we’d go to the room that was our classroom. We’d go to school and the cool, very congruent line throughout my childhood that kind of started there and just continued on wherever we went was, “If you’re good and you do your chores and you do homework and you do the things that you’re supposed to do, then on the weekends you can go see some animals and you can go ride some rides and you can go to movies.”
It was made very, very clear that all of the attractions there were not for us. That did not belong to us. That was for underprivileged children and children that were terminally ill that couldn’t go to Disneyland, and that continued on even when we were, because at one point we wouldn’t stay in one place for more than a year and we’d hotel hopped a lot, and so it was… if we’re living in Vegas and it’s like, “Okay if you’re good, you can go to Circus Circus on weekends,” or like we were like some random place in Virginia. “If you’re good, we can go to Chuck E. Cheese this weekend,” so it was always, you know, same with television.
We weren’t allowed to watch television or movies and stuff either unless we were studying it for film with the sound off or it was on the weekends if we had done everything we were supposed to do.
On growing up without her mother and how was that explained:
Paris Jackson: I remember kind of asking about it when I was probably around 10 or 11 and the answers I got were sufficient to me. Just like, “Oh, what’s her name?” And I got told her name and like, “All right, cool,” and we connected when I was about 15 and then really started getting closer towards like my end of teen years and things like that.
Alex Cooper: Thinking about you at 15 years old, Paris, and you’re gonna meet your mom for the first time. Do you remember if you were nervous or was it a calm situation in your body?
Paris Jackson: I don’t really remember. I remember coming downstairs and she was in the living room with my grandma. I was like, “Hey mom,” and she was like, “Hi.” I sat down, we talked for a second and we went out for the day and just hung out.
Alex Cooper: You called her mom right away.
Paris Jackson: I mean, she’s a Sag. She’s got the fire. I’m an Aries. I’ve got the fire. We’re very similar. I think what’s really cool about my process just in general in all things is learning how expectations kind of f–k us up and if I walk into a relationship with expectations, probably gonna end up being maybe disappointed or frustrated or irritated or a resentment will be born or something, you know? And when I walk into something and I don’t have expectations, it creates this really cool space for something organic to just blossom.
On her relationship with drugs:
Paris Jackson: Probably 8th, 9th grade, but that kind of reaching started much younger. I think I was maybe around like 7, 8, 9 when I started to just like kind of reach for things outside of myself, whether it was a person or food or, you know, just survival skills I would say. Like self harm for example is probably not a living skill, it’s a survival skill. Just things like that. It’s kind of always been present, just this idea of like, I think I need something to help me manage.
Alex Cooper: And did anyone close to you when you were that young know that you were going through that?
Paris Jackson: I don’t think so. I mean, I hid it well. I hid it well. I think people that navigate through life managing that way tend to learn secrecy pretty well, pretty quickly.
Alex Cooper: I’ve had a lot of people on and people often talk about how they used, you know, substances to kind of like escape or numb feelings. What was your experience? Like was that, does that resonate?
Paris Jackson: I enjoyed the effect produced by whatever I was doing. It’s just to feel different than how I was feeling. So just controlling and managing my thoughts and feelings and just using other things to do that.
Alex Cooper: How were you feeling when you weren’t using?
Paris Jackson: Restless, irritable, discontented, which is like not comfortable in my own skin. That does tend to happen with a lot of people that just have very addictive personalities. When you just quit old turkey and you don’t have any kind of replacement program, it’s like a white knuckling process. And so going through life, white knuckling is rough. And so there needs to be, I found from someone like me some kind of replacement technique.
On ending her engagement:
Alex Cooper: Last summer, you called off your engagement and that is, that takes a lot of, I think, courage to end something when you have at one point decided I wanna spend the rest of my life with this person. And then obviously you, you ended, I don’t know who, was it a mutual decision?
Paris Jackson: It was, it was a choice that I needed to make to be happy.
Alex Cooper: Can you, with what you’re comfortable, because I have so many women listen and it’s like, I feel like there is something that happens, especially as women, where we can get more sucked into like, “Oh my God, I’ve spent so much time with this person. I’ve invested in this.”
Paris Jackson: There’s a name for that. I don’t know what it is. My friend said it the other day. There is a name for that when, “Oh, because I’ve invested X amount of time, I have to keep going with it.”
Alex Cooper: Well, I don’t, in business it’s called the sunk-cost fallacy, which is so unsexy, and it’s basically like you could spend so much time pouring into this one project and then it’s like a better option arises whether it’s like, “Oh my God, I see that I don’t want this or I see that I could get this and it could take seconds even though I spent years building this and it’s going to be better for me. Don’t just stay with the thing because you invested so much time in it and it’s not actually the best option for you.” And so I can’t help but wonder for you. Like how did you know? Although I’ve invested in this publicly, I’ve spoken about it, there’s a lot going on. How did you know you were, you made the right decision to end the engagement?
Paris Jackson: Well, as far as the public side of it goes, I’ve had people write about my breakups before, so it’s not that big of a deal. It’s also my second engagement that I’ve called off. I don’t know if you could count the first one, it was real to me, even though we were showing out on drugs and the ring was one that he bought with my money without me knowing. It was still like, the love was so real for me, not that first one. So this was like, ah the second one. No, it wasn’t that casual. No, it was very like, there were times where I did try and end it, but there was this little voice being like, what if, however long down the line, this is a voice that a lot of us have, of if I just hung in there a little bit longer, it would’ve gotten better.
And so I’m the person that needs to be sure, really, really needs to be sure. Even though I have a therapist, like a clinical psychologist, a coach, I have a whole council of people, friends that know a lot about relationships and all the things that I was going through in life at the time that are like, “Honey.” And asking me the right questions of like, “Why would you stay?” And my answers were good enough. My answers weren’t enough.
Just because I realized just because someone is a good person doesn’t mean they’re my person. And I have to be happy and I realize that my non-negotiables are allowed to be negotiables and if these big, major needs are not being met, it doesn’t matter that you’re a good person and you’re not gonna cheat on me, that’s not a reason to stay. Especially also because I think, I live in a city where loyalty’s not the biggest thing and so sometimes I need to get it in my head that that’s how most people are. I have some of the most incredible men in my life that love their wives, that love their kids, that are just such standup dudes that would never dream of f–king that up.
So I know that that exists out there. I can examine the evidence and be like, “Okay, like it does exist. This is the one and only person that’s not gonna do that to me.”
On the expectations placed on her:
Paris Jackson: I think comparison’s the thief of joy and as far as what I choose to do, I’m literally just going with what feels good to me. It’s like, “Oh, I really like the snare sound in this one Pumpkins song. I really like the way he enunciates this word in this Manchester song. I really like, you know, the guitar tone of this Bad Books song.” I’m doing what sounds good to me and feels right to me and if other people have expectations of, “Well, you should go this route, you should do this genre, you should do this.”
You know, when you place expectations on other people, you’re just gonna end up sour about it, and that’s not really my business what other people think of me, and also, if you’re going to kind of, you know, try and turn someone into something that is one of a kind when no one else has been able to hold a light to that, you’re gonna make yourself miserable doing it, but yeah. I do think there’s some humor to be found in like yeah, I’m doing a grunge show. I’m doing a rock show. I’m screaming into a microphone and someone’s like, “Why didn’t you moonwalk on stage?” It’s like, that’s the wrong show. You know, I’m opening up for Incubus, or I’m opening up for The Pretty Reckless.
Alex Cooper: This is not that show, babe. This is not that show. I love that perspective.
Paris Jackson: Get out my loafers. I’m wearing combat boots. Not anatomically possible anyways.
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